British Army going wheeled?
The MOD has released to the public a
voluntary
ex ante transparency notice in which it reveals that it has asked the Organisation
for Joint Armament Cooperation (OCCAR) to enter a contract for the delivery of
between 400 and 600 Boxer 8x8 for the Mechanised Infantry Vehicle programme.
The notice says that 4 variants are
requested, in addition to driver training vehicles, reference vehicles and
related support.
The four variants are not detailed,
and subsequent reports are not in complete agreement. APC and Command variants
are a given, and there seems to be a consensus on the third variant being the
Ambulance, but the fourth variant is given as either a Mortar Carrier or an “Equipment
Support Vehicle”, which presumably would combine Recovery and Repair functions
in a single vehicle. It must be noted that both Mortar and Recovery/Repair
variants of the Boxer aren’t yet in production and have not been ordered by
anyone, although the development of both is a distinct possibility and one of
the latest Boxer customers, Slovenia, has expressed a mortar requirement.
Naturally, the development of new
mission modules is a possibility and could indeed represent a chance for the
british industry to develop something that could be exported to other users.
What is most interesting in the
notice is the number of vehicles that are anticipated: a first batch of at
least 400 vehicles is significantly larger than the expected 300 – 350 that
were commonly mentioned in recent times. 400 vehicles would comfortably cover
the “Strike” requirement of 4 battalions, with substantial room for additional
vehicles which would cover, probably, the replacement of FV432 variants in
other formations; beginning, judging from the variants, with the FV432
ambulance which is found in tank regiments, armoured infantry battalions and
armoured medical regiments. The Warrior CSP requirement is understood to be for
380 vehicles, of which 245 IFVs and the others in Joint Fires direction (FV524
variant) and the 522 and 523 REME variants. The number of battalions is the
same, 4, so it is immediately evident that even the lowest quantity mentioned
in the notice includes vehicles for roles outside the STRIKE infantry; or, less
likely, an ambition for additional mechanized battalions.
The notice specifies that additional
variants and requirements could follow, and it specifically mentions the
adoption of a “medium gun”, basically implying an IFV variant.
Moreover, the notice specifies that
the MOD is asking for the option of ordering up to 900 more vehicles, for a
total of 1500.
1500 does not appear to be a casual
number: the Army has been planning for 380 upgraded Warriors; declares on its
website 409 FV432 still in use; and fields / stores a fleet of 305 Mastiff
Troop Carrier Vehicles plus 127 specialistic variants (Enhanced Communications
Variant, Interim ECM, Interim EOD [possibly 23], ambulance, Protected Eyes /
Praetorian) plus 118 Ridgback Troop Carrier Vehicles and 51 specialistic
variants (Command, Ambulance), supported by 125 Wolfhound (Utility and at least
44 between Military Working Dog and EOD).
The total is 1515. Coincidence?
Probably no.
It seems more and more likely that
the troubled Warrior CSP will, in the end, be cancelled. This MIV notice seems
to prepare for a WCSP cancellation scenario by making provision for the numbers
and the addition of a medium gun.
Moreover, it clearly includes
numbers sufficient to cover the replacement of all remaining FV432 variants as
well, which means that the Armoured Battlegroup Support Vehicle, officially “descoped”
in 2016 as part of cost-growth management measures within the programme “Armoured
Infantry 2026”, might just be dead for good, in favor of a huge MIV purchase.
The Warrior CSP has repeatedly
missed its target dates and remains without a manufacture contract. Work is
advanced on the turret and the 245 CTA40 guns are under contract, but it is not
impossible to imagine a scenario which migrates the turrets onto Boxer hulls.
Lockheed Martin, perhaps genuinely
aiming at future MIV requirements or perhaps shielding itself from the
possibility of a WCSP cancellation, has already showcased its Export version of
the turret on a Boxer.
The replacement of WCSP with more
MIV would put the British Army on the same path chosen by France with the VBCI,
which entirely replaced their own tracked IFVs. Moreover, the replacement of
FV432 with MIV variants would represent a rather dramatic shift in favor of
wheels, completely changing the scenario that currently exists within the
British Army.
Such a change of heart would do
wonders for commonality and obsolescence removal from what is an aging fleet of
fleets, but it would also sideline Ajax even further, leading to further
questions about where the tracked heir to FRES should sit.
Ever since the SDSR 2015 was
published, Ajax has looked more and more lost, ultimately resulting in its “re-branding”
into a “medium armour” capability which has, it is fair to say, convinced very
few people.
I’ve been and I continue to be a
huge critic of the idea of leaving the armoured infantry brigades devoid of
their own recce cavalry, especially if the reason to do so is to use the Ajax’s
40mm gun in support of toothless APCs in Strike Brigades. That, in my opinion,
is the way to ruin both brigade types at once, destroying the capability of
both.
Boxer showcased with the LM Export turret with CTA 40mm and double AT missile pod. |
Boxer with the LANCE turret with 30mm and Missiles, as selected by Australia. The module is being lifted out of the craddle. Or lowered in, depending on how you want to see it! |
A reassessment of how the various
fleets will work together and how the various requirements can be covered has
been a clear necessity for years, and has been a recurring theme in my posts on
armour plans. A “full-MIV” scenario is not a bad outcome, and this notice seems
to prepare the ground for such an approach, but it is absolutely regrettable
that in the meanwhile hundreds of millions will have been expended for near
zero return. If WCSP is cancelled, the Army will have once more wasted years
and hundreds of millions for nothing.
Moreover, it is extraordinary that
Ajax took less than a year from contract award to become a “problem”; a
platform desperately looking for a role and place which is not in conflict with
everything else.
Another rational alternative would
be to renegotiate the Ajax contract if possible and add an IFV variant, which
is being offered by General Dynamics for export, including to Australia. If
Warrior CSP was cancelled in favor of an Ajax IFV variant, the british army
could then concentrate all tracks in the armoured brigades and all wheels in
the Strike brigades, which would enable the two formations to truly exploit
their own strengths without the compromises imposed by a sub-optimal mix.
I can’t help but say it again: that
the army has gotten this far without being able to formulate a comprehensive plan
is an extraordinary failure, born not so much out of lack of money (Ajax is
anything but cheap) but out of lack of long term vision.
I’d “gladly” sacrifice WCSP if it
meant finally making a choice and getting on with it. This is the kind of thing
that the Modernising Defence Programme should be about, but any residual bit of
confidence in the process has been disintegrated by the insultingly pointless “statement”
released this past week.
The Germans giving a visual demonstration of the payload of a Boxer APC |
The notice notes that a 1500
vehicles programme could mean an expenditure of 11.5 billion over two decades.
Is this unaffordable? For sure it would be challenging. However, in April 2014,
the MOD decided to split the massive “Mounted Close Combat Capability Change”
programme into four:
- Armoured
Cavalry 2025
- Armoured
Infantry 2026
- Armour;
Main Battle Tank 2025
- Mechanized
Infantry 2029
The date at the end indicates the
desired completion time. The budget for the Mounted Close Combat super-programme
was 17.251,83 million pounds, with a project end date set for 31 december 2033.
Data released this year, and current
to September 2017, reveals that the Armoured Cavalry programme has a budget of
6258,19 million, for procuring, putting in service and supporting for the first
few years the Ajax fleet.
The Armoured Infantry programme was
composed by Warrior CSP, but was also meant to include the Armoured
Battlegroup Support Vehicle programme. The budget was consistently given as
higher than 2 billion, even when ABSV was descoped and pushed to the right with
the ambition of becoming its own Categoary A programme. In the latest report,
pretty much all data, including the budget value, is not disclosed for reasons
of “commercial interest”, as the MOD is locked into discussions with Lockheed
Martin, the prime contractor for WCSP.
The budget for the Challenger 2 LEP
is also not disclosed although in previous years it danced between 700 and 900
million.
Mechanized Infantry 2029 seems to
now be just “MIV”, and naturally, all numbers for it are hidden as well.
A part of those 17 billions has been
of course expended, but the new “super-MIV” programme would extend past 2033
(significant costs are related to support in the long term, not to
procurement). In theory, there were always going to be significant sums
available for armour programmes, but keeping track of it is simply impossible
due to the insufficient and often contradictory information released by the
MOD.
Boxer modules already ordered by other countries. |
A Boxer module |
Boxer module on its container-like frame for transport |
Industrially, Rheinmetall / ARTEC
have put together an impressive proposal, with 100% assembly in the UK and a commitment
to manufacture 60% of the vehicle value in the country. Before the MOD choice
was announced, one of the two partners in the ARTEC consortium, Krauss-Maffei
Wegmann (KMW), had already funded new tools at William Cook’s Sheffield and
Leeds factories to prepare to manufacture the high strength steel castings,
bullet and blast proof, for the Boxer.
A production line will be stood up
in the UK, where “most” of the design work for eventual new, British-specific
mission modules would take place, along with construction and integration of
modules and final assembly of the vehicle.
ARTEC has taken onboard BAE Systems,
Pearson Engineering, Raytheon U.K. and Thales U.K as partners for the Boxer
programme, and a sizeable production run would bring a lot of work to the
sector, for many years.
So far, Germany has ordered 272
BOXER starting in 2009, with a follow-on order recently for another 131. The
Netherlands purchased 200 and the last delivery has just taken place. Lithuania
ordered 88; Australia selected Boxer for its army reconnaissance vehicle
requirement for 211 vehicles and 223 modules and Slovenia has selected the
Boxer for its battlegroups and plans a first batch of 48 IFV.
The UK’s order will at least equal
Germany’s and could, depending on follow-on decisions, become by far the
largest. Indeed, if the options were to be exercised, the UK’s order would swell
the Boxer fleet until it is the second largest 8x8 programme in NATO after the
US Stryker.
This, obviously, would have a
technical and economical impact on UK’s capability in the armoured vehicle
sector.
Boxer's win in Australia after a long selection process was an important factor in the British Army's own decision. It could be another key area of cooperation after Type 26 |
Capability-wise, the Boxer is a
proven solution and was all along the candidate with the best growth margins.
Reportedly, the UK will go from the start with the “full-fat” variant sized for
38.5 tons gross weight, giving ample margin to add new capability, including
turrets and weapons.
The Boxer notoriously uses a common
hull which is “missionized” thanks to modules installed in the back cradle. This
modularity is unlikely to ever be a major factor during operations (“swap
module and role mid-way through an operation”) but greatly eases the addition
and evolution of capabilities during the service life. The modules can be detached
from the hull and mounted in container-sized cradles for transport or to be
operated inside bases, once hooked up to power and services. This potentially
eases training and can reduce somewhat the requirement for hulls: the
Australian Army, notably, somewhat downsized its planned purchase (from 225 to
211 vehicles) and procured more mission modules than hulls.
Generic Vehicle
Architecture-compliant modules for the UK can be developed and installed over
the common hull.
A different British Army?
The Army could be the service
bringing the most changes to the MDP table. Jane’s is reporting that Gurkha
numbers will swell further, probably because there is never a shortage of
willing Gurkhas to recruit. The biggest novelty is that next year Gurkhas will
stand up their own Specialised Infantry Battalion. Not clear yet if it’ll be
the “optional 5th” which was always given as a possibility or if they will
replace 2 LANCS as the 4th such unit.
2nd PWRR converted to
Specialised Infantry role this year, following 4 RIFLES and 1 SCOTS.
The rebuilding of the Gurkha numbers after the cuts ordered in 2011 had already been announced and i had written about it already two years ago.
What has since been detailed is that 2 additional Gurkha squadrons will
be raised to strengthen 10 Queen’s Own Gurkha Logistic Regiment, while 2 extra
signal squadrons are standing up: one within 3rd UK Division Signal
Regiment (249 Sqn) and one within 16 Signal Regiment (247 Sqn). Gurkha
engineers growth is also expected, perhaps with a new squadron to be formed
within 36 RE.
It is also now official that the
Wide Wet Gap Crossing capability is to grow, with the stored M3 being
reactivated, and it has been announced that the capability will stay put in
Germany, along with vehicle storage and a presence at the Sennelager training
facility. Details are still scarce: in particular, the M3 permanence in Germany
means a change of plans for 75 Royal Engineers.
The Royal Signals are about to
disband the short-lived 2 Signal Group, which was created within 11 Signal
Brigade to control the reserve signal regiments under Army 2020. Reserve signal
regiments are being resubordinated as their roles expand (notably with FALCON
training and equipment). 32 and 39 Signal Regiments, of the reserve, have
resubordinated to 1 Signal Brigade in support of ARRC and High Readiness
formations. Further changes might follow as the Royal Signals looks at the
creation of hybrid regiments of regulars and reservists.
10 Signal Regiment, given its specialized
roles (from reserve ECM to installation specialists), is resubordinating
directly under 11 Signal Brigade, while 37 and 71 joint the regular regiments
within 7 Signal Group, 11 Signal Brigade.
The Army’s Information Manoeuvre
Strategy which was half-announced by Fallon has not surfaced yet, but could
bring great changes. According to what Fallon said at the times, it would bring
together the Corps of Signals with the Military Intelligence Corps, and also
bring the creation of a second EW regiment. Nothing has been heard or seen
since, but hopefully one day we’ll know more.
The Royal Engineers are about to
reform 35 RE into an EOD & Search regiment, joining 33 RE in the role, at
the cost of one armoured close support engineering formation. 33 and 35 RE will
contain the Regular EOD squadrons, while Reserve EOD will be once more
centralized in its own regiment, 101 RE. This reverses, once more, an Army 2020
decision which had turned 33 and 101 into Hybrid regiments. One can’t help but
notice the completely different directions followed by Signals and Engineers…
In the meanwhile, 12 HQ & Support Sqn has stood up anew in 23 (Parachute) RE, after the regiment took in some extra manpower as part of Army 2020 Refine. 12 had disbanded in 2013 as part of Army 2020 changes.
In the meanwhile, 12 HQ & Support Sqn has stood up anew in 23 (Parachute) RE, after the regiment took in some extra manpower as part of Army 2020 Refine. 12 had disbanded in 2013 as part of Army 2020 changes.
Next year it is expected that 28
Royal Engineers will stand up as CBRN formation, presumably pulling in FALCON
Sqn, Royal Tank Regiment (Fuchs and wide area surveillance) and the Light
capabilities of 27 Squadron, RAF Regiment, which has already absorbed 26 Sqn
and is now standing up a Parachute capability for support to high readiness
formations.
The formation of a (joint?) CBRN
regiment is, of course, another U-turn over 2010 decisions. Did you notice the
trend yet…?
26 Royal Artillery is now 3rd Division's Fires specialist, with GMLRS and Exactor, which means there is one less AS90 regiment and that a number of batteries have resubordinated (such as 176 (Abu Klea) Bty moving from 19 to 26 RA, or H Bty (Ramsay's Troop) moving from 1 RHA to 26 RA, rallying under the flag of 19 (Gibraltar) Bty), while others have gone into suspended animation, namely 17 (Corunna) Bty and 38 (Seringapatam) Bty.
This reverts the de-centralization of GMLRS which had taken place under Army 2020. I'll be honest and say that this was one of the very few things of Army 2020 which i actually appreciated, because having a wider spread of GMRLS and Exactor meant putting the capability where it needs to be.
26 RA will still end up parcellized all the time, sending out batteries to be battlegrouped to support this or that brigade, and while there are probably advantages to having all GMLRS training and management in the same place, the mixed artillery regiment is, i believe, the right way to go. Notoriously, i'm a champion of the approach "structure and train as close as possible as to how you fight", and i've already said more than once that i'm also all in favor of permanent combined arms battalions with tanks and armoured infantry working shoulder to shoulder.
I'm also a huge supporter of Exactor and would very much like to see it employed more widely, perhaps not by the Royal Artillery but directly by infantry and cavalry. For now at least, the Army is not "listening". But it eventually turned back on many of the decisions of Army 2020 that i thought made no sense, so perhaps one day...
Meanwhile, 42 Air Defence Support Bty has been disbanded and 12 and 16 Royal Artillery regiments will rebuild their own dedicate support elements to be able to deploy independently. They had been joined at the hip by Army 2020 cuts and related force structure changes, but, once again, a U-turn has followed.
26 Royal Artillery is now 3rd Division's Fires specialist, with GMLRS and Exactor, which means there is one less AS90 regiment and that a number of batteries have resubordinated (such as 176 (Abu Klea) Bty moving from 19 to 26 RA, or H Bty (Ramsay's Troop) moving from 1 RHA to 26 RA, rallying under the flag of 19 (Gibraltar) Bty), while others have gone into suspended animation, namely 17 (Corunna) Bty and 38 (Seringapatam) Bty.
This reverts the de-centralization of GMLRS which had taken place under Army 2020. I'll be honest and say that this was one of the very few things of Army 2020 which i actually appreciated, because having a wider spread of GMRLS and Exactor meant putting the capability where it needs to be.
26 RA will still end up parcellized all the time, sending out batteries to be battlegrouped to support this or that brigade, and while there are probably advantages to having all GMLRS training and management in the same place, the mixed artillery regiment is, i believe, the right way to go. Notoriously, i'm a champion of the approach "structure and train as close as possible as to how you fight", and i've already said more than once that i'm also all in favor of permanent combined arms battalions with tanks and armoured infantry working shoulder to shoulder.
I'm also a huge supporter of Exactor and would very much like to see it employed more widely, perhaps not by the Royal Artillery but directly by infantry and cavalry. For now at least, the Army is not "listening". But it eventually turned back on many of the decisions of Army 2020 that i thought made no sense, so perhaps one day...
Meanwhile, 42 Air Defence Support Bty has been disbanded and 12 and 16 Royal Artillery regiments will rebuild their own dedicate support elements to be able to deploy independently. They had been joined at the hip by Army 2020 cuts and related force structure changes, but, once again, a U-turn has followed.
These are mostly good news, but we
might find unpleasant truths later on. The long-delayed report on the future of
the Army Air Corps bases is still not coming out, and the promised 4 squadrons
of Wildcat helicopters are still only 2, even though deliveries have ended.
This is worrying.
There could be big changes coming if
Warrior CSP is given up and an “all-MIV approach” is approved.
My own advice to the British Army is
to consider a wide-ranging rethink of Cavalry, reconnaissance and ISTAR. The
confusion over Ajax’s role and deployment within the brigades and the fact that
the future of battlegroup ISTAR is up in the air with no endorsed path to a
Desert Hawk III replacement is alarming, and shows that FIND doesn’t have
enough of a voice, or of a direction.
The Royal Artillery and the Cavalry
are reportedly sparring over who should be responsible for the post DH III FIND,
and depending on who you listen to, the spar seems to be about staying OUT of
the role. I had a discussion with a cavalryman who said that “playing around
with toy aircraft” is not a Cavalry role. I think and hope he doesn’t speak for
the whole Corps, but it certainly left me with the worst of impressions. FIND
is a key function which deserves a lot more effort. Brigades without a dedicate
reconnaissance unit are a terrible idea which shouldn’t even have been put
forwards. And it is ridiculous to think that the British Army can seriously think
about high intensity warfare while fielding a grand total of 5
counter-artillery radars, and short ranged too.
If it takes a specific “ISR Corps”
to bring a more rational approach in the sector, so be it. Each brigade will
need its own ISR formation which can conduct reconnaissance,
counter-reconnaissance and surveillance of the area of operations. Most nations
have been organizing their cavalry according to these requirements or forming
specific battlefield surveillance brigades in the case of the US Army.
Mast-mounted sensors, radars and unmanned vehicles, both air and ground, have
become part of the cavalry mission pretty much anywhere, with the UK as the
only notable exception.
Ajax, and with it the whole recce
cavalry concept, seem to have bogged down somewhere midway between the Squadron
of American Brigade Combat Teams and the 8x8-based cavalry squadrons planned by
the Italian army.
The US Army cavalry squadron in
armoured BCTs is now composed of a tank company with 14 Abrams MBTs and the “6x36”
model, in which each Troop has two platoons of 6 Bradley IFVs, each carrying 3 crew
and 3 dismounts. One every two vehicles in the Troop is fitted with a LRAS
long-range sensor, and the Squadron has its UAV platoon with RQ-7 Shadow
drones, plus HUMINT/IMINT intelligence element.
Wheeled BTCs on Stryker replace the
MBTs with the Mobile Gun System and TOW variants of Stryker. Notoriously, the
US Army is moving towards the introduction of 30mm guns on the other Strykers.
In practice, the American recce
cavalry has moved towards greater firepower and a greater number of dismounts. The
Americans also hold on for dear life to mounted 120mm mortars.
The Italian army intends to
restructure its cavalry on homogeneous regiments each containing a squadron of
8x8 Centauro II tank-destroyers, with 120/45 mm cannons; 2 squadrons of Freccia
8x8 in two variants, FAR and CLOSE; and another squadron of supporting
elements.
The Freccia FAR closes equipped with
HORUS tube-launched UAVs and a combined radar-EO sensor which can be dismounted
or deployed on a telescopic mast; while the CLOSE carries dismounts plus an
unmanned ground vehicle UGV, while replacing the HORUS tubes with SPIKE
anti-tank missiles.
An early Freccia Recon FAR shown with the LYRA radar selected for it, in dismounted mode. It will also employ the HORIZON optical sight. |
The UGV seen on the CLOSE's ramp |
This image shows the UGV, the Lyra radar and HORIZON sight near a Freccia Recon CLOSE |
HORUS drone seen coming out of its launch box on the Freccia Recon FAR |
The Ajax is similar to the Bradley
used by the American squadrons, but does not carry dismounts. Each Sabre Sqn
will continue to have a support platoon with dismounts riding in Ares
APCs, replacing the current Spartan, but it will be a small component.
We were told that there would be
around 20 vehicles in a “Ground Based Surveillance” sub-variant of Ajax but it
is not clear if it is still the case and what additional sensors, if any, this
sub-variant will be able to bring to bear. Mast-mounted long range sensors are
still nowhere to be seen, leaving Ajax essentially only with its main sight,
which because of very questionable design decisions needs to be removed if a
Protector remote weapon station is deemed necessary. Taken all together, these
weaknesses expose just why I feel that the focus of the Ajax programme was
sadly not really on ISR at all.
With the rush to Strike in 2015,
Ajax is now attempting to re-invent itself as a “medium tank”, with at least
half of the regiments literally leaving recce behind in favor of a combat role
more akin to a real MBT.
This continues to be a rash and
irrational decision, that the MDP should reverse.
Despite claims to the contrary, it
looks like the Ajax family has been purchased as a one-for-one replacement of
the Scimitar / Spartan combination, just much larger and heavier. Ajax as the
dismount-less “tank”, with more protection and firepower but less deployability
and stealth, supported by a handful of APCs carrying small teams of max four
dismounts. There should be an “Overwatch” sub-variant of the Ares to give the
formation some anti-tank punch, but it is not clear if it will offer any more
capability than just carrying a Javelin dismounted team. In this sector, in
many ways, the Army took a backward leap when it retired Striker and its
Swingfire missiles back in 2005.
As it stands, the Ajax family does
not have the firepower, nor the full range of sensors to be a truly capable ISR
system. As for its attempt to be a Medium Tank, that is just insane.
The Army needs to approach the MDP as a chance to urgently reassess
how Ajax will be used and distributed. A decision on WCSP is needed, and ABSV must absolutely be taken into account as well. If all the parts aren't considered within a much needed long term plan, the Army will end up in trouble again very soon.
And i will add that the Army also needs to organize the cavalry
into a force that delivers the kind of ISR and punch that a modern brigade
needs. And / or procure a "true" Medium Armour variant of Ajax, which would at least possess a more credible firepower.
Interesting hypothesis about Boxer mounted wheeled infantry replacing Warrior.
ReplyDeleteWere that to happen then, logistically and tactically, it would be easier for infantry battalions from a Strike bde to supplement/ reinforce those in an Armoured Infantry brigade, and vice versa.
Moreover, it would introduce turrets. Allies are upgunning their wheeled APCs, and i really don't get why the british army thinks it is a good idea to have its long-range "vanguard" so lightly armed...
DeleteGreat article Gabriele. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteEspecially pleased with your list of changes, which I was struggling to keep up with, all listed in one place.
Mostly positive news I feel.
Would it not be sensible to give the DH3 role to the Light Cavalry? They are orphans at the moment in 1 Division. 1 Regiment per brigade for the 3 they say can be deployed to form a war fighting division.
I feel that battlegroup-level UAVs should sit within the brigade's recce cavalry formation. How to gather the necessary manpower would need to be considered, but a reduction in Light Cavalry might well be the best way to "pay" for it.
DeleteFrom MikeW:
ReplyDeleteHi Gaby,
Excellent article, packed with interesting detail.
I have one or two comments to make, though. I agree absolutely with you when you suggest that to use AJAX with its 40mm gun in the Strike Brigades as a support “tank” (which of course it is not) “is the way to ruin both brigade types at once, destroying the capability of both.” That has been said by so many people, apart from yourself.
However, you go on to say: “If Warrior CSP was cancelled in favor of an Ajax IFV variant, the British army could then concentrate all tracks in the armoured brigades and all wheels in the Strike brigades,”. This, however, not quite what will happen, is it? You suggest early in the article that Boxer, instead of the ABSV, could replace the old FV432s. Now the FV432s still play quite an important part in the Armoured formations. They act as mortar carriers, ambulances, Signals and Engineer vehicles etc. etc. If they are to be replaced in such formations by wheeled vehicles then could we not see some of the limitations of the latter showing up just as the limitations of tracked AJAX vehicles would work to the detriment of the Strike Brigades (e.g. slower tracked vehicles slowing down the overall speed of movement of the Brigades).
Could it not be that wheeled vehicles might not be perfectly suited in every respect to work in Armoured (or AI) Brigades? They might have great mobility and speed on roads but less over muddy rough terrain, where tracked vehicles seem historically to have been superior. I’m not saying that the disadvantages of a “mix” will be as glaringly obvious as in the Strike Brigades but it could be that the converse of the arguments against such a “mix” there might apply to the AI Brigades.
By the way, I could not agree more with you when you say: “If WCSP is cancelled, the Army will have once more wasted years and hundreds of millions for nothing.” It would be appalling.
Yes, there is potentially some drawback from a MIV replacement of FV432, but seriously: moving from FV432 to Boxer would be such a huge leap forwards for the supporting elements that the compromise would be more acceptable. Non-front of the line supporting vehicles should be able to find a way to follow even in the worst posisble battlefield conditions, without excessive trouble. Ideally, you'd want tracks all the way, but i think it would be an acceptable compromise.
DeleteAgreed with Gabi, the FV432 is so old and weathered anyway that even with wheels the Boxer is probably going to be a mobility improvement over the 432 (especially with theatre entry armour packages).
DeleteMR
Just a thought - would the Ajax APC (Ares?) be a suitable replacement for FV432?
DeleteARES could well be developed into further sub-variants, absolutely. But it would take money, obviously, and time.
DeleteHi Gaby
ReplyDeleteThanks very much for the reply. Very useful. I have another question which I would like to ask. You mention at one point that “Another rational alternative would be to renegotiate the Ajax contract if possible and add an IFV variant,”
Now that would be costly, to say the least. The IFV variant would need more seating than the current AJAX vehicle and would probably need the addition of some sort of medium gun. You have said yourself that “Ajax is anything but cheap.” Has it even progressed beyond the drawing board stage yet?
You also mention that it is “not impossible to imagine a scenario which migrates the (Warrior CSP) turrets onto Boxer hulls”. So that there is also the cost of that “migration” to consider. Surely the first of these suggestions (the AJAX IFV) would be considerably more than the expense of converting 380 Warrior vehicles(245 IFVs), while the two suggestions together would vastly outstrip the cost of the Warrior upgrade. Has anyone done any costings yet and has new money been injected in order to be able to afford such a vast (up to 1,500)Boxer buy?
Nobody knows how much money the British Army has kept aside for MIV. As i write in the article, there were more than 17 billion pounds for armour in the 2014 version of the plan, and most of those billions have not been allocated.
DeleteThe "migration" of the turrets intended for Warrior onto new-build Boxers should not be a problem. LM is marketing its turret for export on Boxer and Patria both, and i'd hope they can live up to the promises.
Ajax is undergoing trials in the "flesh and steel", so it has definitely progressed past paper. The IFV variant, with remotely-operated turrets, is also relatively mature due to GD putting it forwards for the Australian Army IFV requirement.
Would it cost? Of course it would. How much? I can't know. It is a rational option worth considering, though. And obviously it would be accompanied by a smaller MIV purchase, partially compensating.
It is the army's job to finally decide how they are going to make the various fleets co-exist.
From MikeW:
DeleteHi Gaby
I found the section that you published at the end, on the way in which the rest of the British Army is changing, very useful indeed. It is very satisfying to see some of the changes and restoration of capability: e.g. the fact that Wide Wet Gap Crossing capability s being grown again and the fact that Gurkha numbers will swell further.
You mention the following point, which I find intriguing:
“26 RA will still end up parcellized all the time, sending out batteries to be battlegrouped to support this or that brigade, and while there are probably advantages to having all GMLRS training and management in the same place, the mixed artillery regiment is, i believe, the right way to go. Notoriously, i'm a champion of the approach "structure and train as close as possible as to how you fight",
Such matters are obviously the subject of considerable debate within the Army. I tend to side with your opinion in the last couple of sentences. Close structuring and training together should logically improve the cohesion, unity and communication of any formation. However, I did see an interesting comment on some blog (I can’t remember where) from someone actually inside the Royal Artillery. He was saying that operators of the AS90 come from a different discipline and training from the operators of the GMLRS, for instance. The latter deal with rocketry, not shells. The point being made, as far as I remember it, was that when it came to promotions etc., the personnel from the latter were therefore at a disadvantage.
Hi Gabriele,
ReplyDeleteA very good article, and very interesting ideas.
I think it would be a good idea to go for the total Boxer option.
As to the Ajax, could it work operating as part of an MBT regiment? For instance a troop acting as close recce for a squadron, or would you keep Ajax in the light cavalry role in separate regiments?
Or if the Ajax was upgraded to have 120mm gun,
could it be used as a medium tank?
Do you think the total Boxer option would mean 3 brigades, with no 4th 'paper' strike brigade?
The point you make on how much money has been wasted on
vehicle programmes which has resulted in nothing is worth noting.
I am really hoping and praying that the army comes up with a sensible plan, as I have said, this would be the total Boxer option in my humble opinion,
3 brigades, each with 2 Boxer battalions.
I live in hope!
Phil (the cynical ex pongo)
If there is a one billion WCSP budget which can be shifted towards new MIVs, it should be possible to add enough hulls to outfit 8 battalions in total, and still have 4 brigades.
DeleteI seriously doubt the affordability of a 1500 vehicle fleet. Ain't gonna happen. Mark my word. In retrospect, if the end game is "going wheeled", obviously Boxer is the wrong choice then: too big and too expensive, leaving BA with little or no money to spent on mission equipment (CTA40 integration, or a direct fire support variant we discussed a lot here).
ReplyDeleteGreat piece Gabby, if true this is really encouraging news. The Warrior CSP has always filled me with dread, it seems to have "Nimrod" written all over it - take a 30 year old platform that has been worked hard and try and hang some new bits on it. I just don't believe it is deliverable.
ReplyDeleteIt's a bit noticeable, as an ex-antipodean, the UK and Australia seem "synched up" at the moment - Boxer, type26, P-8, maybe wedgetail, F35 (but not same variant) almost a pattern emerging
A quick point about the US BCT Cavalry squadrons... while they do have the tank company, the UAVs and HumInt is still within the MI company (bizarrely part of the Brigade Engineer Battalion)
ReplyDeleteThe graphic you show is from a paper suggesting the MI Co moved into the Cav Sqdn - which would make lots of sense!
Really interesting article Gabriele. Thank you. Your site has some really interesting and thought provoking articles.
ReplyDeleteI have to disagree with you one one area however on your Boxer article. You said: 'It seems more and more likely that the troubled Warrior CSP will, in the end, be cancelled'. I think, while this may be a sensible suggestion (so we have a Ajax AIFV or Boxer AIFV/APC fleet) that this is highly unlikely to happen. To much has been invested in money, time and reputations to allow this to fail. The first vehicles are now with the ITDU, I think, and even if they say the turret is no good nothing will change; make it work will be the instruction - I have some experience of this instruction! Besides when have the soldiers on the ground ever been listened to! However the rest of the article makes perfect sense to a simple soldier like myself.
You might be right there, but we have to always call for change. If WCSP is not good enough, and there is not going to be a wholly tracked force anyway, it should not proceed.
DeleteHi Gabriele, a bit of a random question but do you know if the Warrior CSP turret has an independent 360 sight for the commander?
ReplyDeleteHi Gabriele, a bit of a off topic question but do you know if he Warrior CSP turret has an independent 360 sight for the commander.
ReplyDeleteNo, don't think there is one. The commander sight is fixed, can't turn 360°.
DeleteNot a direct comment on this post, however it does tie into a previous one of yours on infantry weapons. UK Defence Journal (https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-army-to-scrap-old-infantry-weapon-systems/) states that the army's getting rid of both LSW and LMG in favour of more 7.62mm Sharpshooter rifles. I guess the question one could ask is why not go the whole hog and revert entirely to 7.62 in the infantry etc., with 5.56 retained for those who used to carry the 9mm SMG. Also with a possible return of Charlie G, the infantry platoon could have a distinctly 1980s feel about it, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Any views?
ReplyDeleteHi Gaby, the Chancellor's budget will be with us next month and I guess MDP will be published sometime afterwards. Will you be blogging your assessment of what you think the UK force structure should be in advance of this, so we can do a compare and contrast?
ReplyDeleteSorry for the delay in spotting your comment. Blogger has ceased to warn me of new comments, for whatever reason.
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