tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post9142525152541110340..comments2024-02-29T11:45:01.870+01:00Comments on UK Armed Forces Commentary: Vikings to be overhauledGabrielehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-49560076951926046112018-02-14T23:56:20.569+01:002018-02-14T23:56:20.569+01:00I actually don’t understand why he British Army re...I actually don’t understand why he British Army refuses to keep the Warthog as it is far superior as compared to the Viking. It also saved countless lives so why did they instead choose the Viking that killed so many of their soldiers? I don’t understand.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09460144029215668554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-20644097848486524292012-10-05T15:54:13.467+02:002012-10-05T15:54:13.467+02:00Warthog has been tested for in "amphibious&qu...Warthog has been tested for in "amphibious" terrain in Thailand (another country which Singapore sold its vehicle too). But that was main the flooded areas.Jeneral28https://www.blogger.com/profile/16332640271661260029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-62066556120130228652012-10-04T20:01:50.361+02:002012-10-04T20:01:50.361+02:00We don't know for sure, no. But if we take Vik...We don't know for sure, no. But if we take Viking as an indication, 37 million to extensively overhaul and in some case re-role 99 vehicles is a good price, considering that 24 Viking MK2 in 2009 cost around 20 million pounds. <br /><br />Warthog was procured specifically since it had better growth margin and better protection as starting point: it should not be as spent and overloaded as Viking, so it is not unrealistic to assume its overhaul shouldn't be excessively complex and expensive. <br />If 80/90 vehicles could be kept, it is likely to make financial sense. <br /><br />Would a "all Viking MK2" fleet be better in the long term? Yes, quite certainly. <br />But it would require more money up front, which is unlikely to be available. <br />It's a bit like the carriers: CATOBAR wins hands down every day, but it costs too much up front due to need for catapult gear. <br /><br /><br />As for 100 vehicles spread across the Army as specialist vehicles, i have to disagree. Too few to make it worthwhile, and spreading them around makes it awkward like hell. <br />I think the Army has no use for Warthog, sincerely. <br />Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-23875641361129709382012-10-04T19:34:48.609+02:002012-10-04T19:34:48.609+02:00Ahh Gabby, but would it ? "even with the need...Ahh Gabby, but would it ? "even with the need for a reset, the Warthog are likely to be a less expensive option than new acquisitions. "<br /><br />This is not necessarily true, but we dont know do we. There is plenty of scope for using 100 plus Warthog for specialist roles within the core Army fleet - replacing FV432 variants with Engineer, REME or Signals units. <br /><br />RM Armoured Support Group really is not big enough to efficiently support more than one type, whether that is BV206/BVS10MK2 or BVS10Mk2/Warthog; might be cheaper in the long run to buy more Viking MK2 than to reset / refurb the equally heavily used and battered Warthogs.Jedhttp://www.twitter.com/jedpcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-9756234509762173492012-10-04T16:11:30.253+02:002012-10-04T16:11:30.253+02:00It would very likely be better to have a single ve...It would very likely be better to have a single vehicle type in service in the long run, but even with the need for a reset, the Warthog are likely to be a less expensive option than new acquisitions. <br /><br />I wouldn't be surprised if the BV206 ends up working on for many more years, though... <br />As for the Warthog being slower, i honestly don't know, but i don't expect it to be slower. Why would it be so? Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-18186431310919929852012-10-04T12:41:31.334+02:002012-10-04T12:41:31.334+02:00Would replacing the BV206 with the Warthog really ...Would replacing the BV206 with the Warthog really be cheaper in the long run than buying some more BVS10s? <br /><br />The Warthogs are likely to need a overhaul and upgrade before they could be used after their time in Afghanistan. It would also mean there was still two vehicle types to support. So in the longer term it could work out cheaper to buy new BVS10s, but then again when did the MOD ever think about the longer term. <br /><br />Also the Warthog might be better protected but I believe it is quite a bit slower over rough terrain than the Viking?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-42437837576119855052012-10-04T01:32:34.216+02:002012-10-04T01:32:34.216+02:00My suspect comes out of the timing with the ATV(S)...My suspect comes out of the timing with the ATV(S) tender, its cancellation as Warthog was being selected, and its being amphibious and very much suited to meet the Marines's needs. <br /><br />I've always thought, ever since, that it might have been a UOR only for 50%, the other 50% of the reason for its selection being the hope of keeping it in the long term. <br /><br />But mind you, i'm speculating there. <br />As for the British Army, as i said, i'm pretty sure they won't keep it, as they don't see a real long-term mission for it in the force. The only chance for Warthog to survive in the long term is the Marines finding the money to keep it around as they try to retire the venerable BVs. <br />Not easy, admittedly. But there is still some hope. Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-55994243584010573442012-10-04T01:27:33.168+02:002012-10-04T01:27:33.168+02:00The incredible all-terrain capability of Viking (a...The incredible all-terrain capability of Viking (and Bronco/Warthog) allows them to move in impredictable way, sneaking on the enemy from directions that the enemy is unlikely to mine or plant with IEDs because other vehicles would never move there. <br />This turned out being an important capability. Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-28682926243098033592012-10-04T00:07:22.511+02:002012-10-04T00:07:22.511+02:00A brilliant post, Gaby, summarizing all the news s...A brilliant post, Gaby, summarizing all the news so ably.<br /><br />“I’ve been thinking that the Warthog might be considered more than just a UOR: personally, I hope (and suspect) that Warthog might end up in the Royal Marines core budget as ATV(S).”<br /><br />Do you have any solid reason for using the word “suspect”? I certainly hope that you are right.<br /><br />However, I have read some MOD reports recently that seem to suggest that Warthog is one vehicle that will not go into the core, either for the Army or the Marines. One said that the a Monitoring System (HUMS) would be fitted to 578 vehicles (Mastiff, Ridgback, Husky, Jackal, Coyote and Wolfhound) but there was no mention of the Warthog. Makes me think it might be left for the Afghan National Army. A pity for the British Army if that happens. It seems an excellent piece of kit and just the kind of fast, mobile, all-terrain vehicle that will undoubtedly be needed in the kind of contingencies that arise so often nowadays. It will be among the first needed and if it is not retained, no doubt we shall see further UORs to obtain new ones, unless of course Viking2 proves man enough for the job of carrying all that extra armour, etc.<br />MikeWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-74039995726763128022012-10-03T23:38:59.302+02:002012-10-03T23:38:59.302+02:00Some good information in there Gabriele.
Am curio...Some good information in there Gabriele.<br /><br />Am curious as to why they used an amphibious vehicle in Afghanistan, You cant make a vehicle amphibious and heavily armoured (unless you make it extremely big). <br /><br /> <br /><br /> mick 346https://www.blogger.com/profile/03777249489229912370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-36154375136482498502012-10-03T18:12:31.932+02:002012-10-03T18:12:31.932+02:00Whatever is not taken into core budget at the end ...Whatever is not taken into core budget at the end of 2014 when the war ends and the Treasury stops passing along the money will be sold, gifted away or scrapped. <br />Jackal has a future. Foxhound too, and Mastiff is part of the Army 2020 plan. <br /><br />Ridgback, Husky, Warthog, but even the Reaper drones, they are all UORs, and will all go in 2014 if they are not taken into the defence budget. <br />As i said, more accurate planning for the future of UOR kit is expected to be finalized next year. <br /><br />Reaper will stay, i believe. Warthog might stay if the Royal Navy finds the money to give it to the Marines. The Army won't keep it, i think. So it's RM or nothing. <br />But we will have to wait and see. Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-24291567037033608392012-10-03T18:02:03.500+02:002012-10-03T18:02:03.500+02:00So unless there's another Afghanistan, the War...So unless there's another Afghanistan, the Warthog will remain idle?<br /><br />Can they re-sell it to other parties?Jeneral28https://www.blogger.com/profile/16332640271661260029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-39739288812027460102012-10-03T17:58:15.681+02:002012-10-03T17:58:15.681+02:00They might keep it, actually, as i've written,...They might keep it, actually, as i've written, in addition to Viking to replace the BV206 remaining. <br />But we won't know the future of UORs vehicles before next year at the earliest. Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-68032234712257875442012-10-03T17:56:05.558+02:002012-10-03T17:56:05.558+02:00Why aren't they keeping the Warthog?Why aren't they keeping the Warthog?Jeneral28https://www.blogger.com/profile/16332640271661260029noreply@blogger.com