tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post9112877069230423455..comments2024-02-29T11:45:01.870+01:00Comments on UK Armed Forces Commentary: Type 26, Type 45, anti-ship missilesGabrielehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-79740511922266144362012-07-14T23:21:10.899+02:002012-07-14T23:21:10.899+02:00Thank you for visiting and commenting. Sorry for t...Thank you for visiting and commenting. Sorry for the late reply, but i was away in the last few days. <br /><br />As for the Type 26, this design is the latest that BAE has been showing. We can assume that it is what they are working on following the first "Capability Decision Point" they had in November 2011 with the MOD, but of course we cannot say that "this is it". Changes, even very substantial, are still more than possible, and until Main Gate, the design will stay quite flexible. <br /><br />As for numbers, i think that getting all the 13 the Navy hopes for would already be a real good start. I'm not really hoping for more, as realistically even getting 13 will be a challenge, judging from recent history. <br /><br />As for Perseus, not too much is known for now, but i'll try and make a post about it sometime. <br /><br />Other than that, i'll try to keep you all up to date with whatever happens. Thank you again, i'm glad you like my work.Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-11614881425603392792012-07-14T01:05:25.476+02:002012-07-14T01:05:25.476+02:00You run a fantastic blog here and as a Defence Ent...You run a fantastic blog here and as a Defence Enthusiast myself I am keen to constantly return to your blog to check for updates! An excellent insight into the Defence of the UK and In particular the Type 26. However, can you confirm that this is the type 26 as BAE has not officaly announced this as its current design? On another hand, how many do you think, realistically the Royal Navy will have, looking at the Current state of the UK's Defence Policy and Economy? I'd hope for about 16 if we can export it to the likes of Brazil and India. What do you think? Please keep me updated on the Royal Navy as I believe it is during this age the most important armed force once we leave Afghanistan. Also can you look into the whole Perseus idea as the ships main armament? I personally from what I have read here think it is a brilliant idea, Capability, Logistically and Lethality wise, not to mention cost effectiveness and the potential for export and to replace the Tomahawk and Harpoon. Once again, Thank-you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-77079777778393101022012-06-26T17:02:51.318+02:002012-06-26T17:02:51.318+02:00It was quite ludicrous to commission the Type 45 w...It was quite ludicrous to commission the Type 45 without a strong anti-ship function but it seems the norm of Western navies to have the anti-ship role dedicated to aircraft--more so for the US Navy (their DDGs are also missing a Harpoon launcher)Jeneral28https://www.blogger.com/profile/16332640271661260029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-59666764298719215592012-04-10T13:30:39.119+02:002012-04-10T13:30:39.119+02:00Gabriele,
The NSM is revolutionary in its size al...Gabriele,<br /><br />The NSM is revolutionary in its size alone (roughly half the weight of a Harpoon). Smaller size means more missiles on most of your assets at a lower cost. While it's warhead may be smaller, it will still be able to cause plenty of damage to most likely threats other than carriers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-34439434594281557162012-04-09T22:42:55.128+02:002012-04-09T22:42:55.128+02:00It is more a matter of size and warhead than envir...It is more a matter of size and warhead than environment: FASGW(H) is smaller, and thus less lethal. <br /><br />For the little we know, FASGW(H) should definitely be capable of striking land targets as well. There was indeed some talk of using it as a base for SPEAR capability block 3 as well. It does not seem that this will happen, but probably there will be elements of the seeker migrating onto SPEAR 3. <br /><br />Maneuver was also a key requirement, due to littoral operations needs.Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-65670980419232951342012-04-09T22:34:28.695+02:002012-04-09T22:34:28.695+02:00To my mind the FASGW(H) is not designed for the sa...To my mind the FASGW(H) is not designed for the same high threat environment the NSM is, so I find the comparison difficult.<br /><br />For taking out less well defended targets I'm sure the FASGW(H) should suffice.<br /><br />It remains to be seen what features it will have when development is complete.<br /><br />Stealth?<br />Maneuvering?<br />Terrain mapping?<br />ECM?<br />Independence?<br />Land attack?<br /><br />Perhaps as development progresses more information will be available.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-26425940702339779262012-04-09T21:25:53.972+02:002012-04-09T21:25:53.972+02:00It is right, the FASGW(H) is an helicopter weapon,...It is right, the FASGW(H) is an helicopter weapon, and relatively small. Nonetheless, it is going to have good range (even if for now it is unspecified) and thanks to its IIR seeker it will have many of the features of the NSM, just on a different scale. <br /><br />For as good as it is, NSM is nothing you'd class as really that new and revolutionary.Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-40079846770760671312012-04-09T20:17:37.089+02:002012-04-09T20:17:37.089+02:00What?
The FASGW(H) is according to my googling go...What?<br /><br />The FASGW(H) is according to my googling going to weight 110kg and have a range of 50km launched from a helicopter.<br /><br />From the info I could see it uses a man in the loop combined with Ir homing to discriminate targets and select a hit point.<br /><br />I don't see anything comparable here to the NSM.<br /><br />Seems more like the old Penguin from a guidance perspective.<br /><br />Could you elaborate please?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-55297006131299863042012-04-09T17:59:27.010+02:002012-04-09T17:59:27.010+02:00Sorry, no. These are good features, but nothing ge...Sorry, no. These are good features, but nothing genuinely revolutionary on my book. Even FASGW(H) is going to offer them.Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-29324183605511132752012-04-09T14:52:09.036+02:002012-04-09T14:52:09.036+02:00Interesting reading. Though I think you missed a l...Interesting reading. Though I think you missed a lot of the key points about the NSM/JSM.<br /><br /><br />1. Totally passive. Even the terrain reference system uses laser instead of radar IIRC.<br /><br />There are no emissions which can be detected by esm. <br /><br />Most ashm use radar to guide them onto the target. When they activate their radar they alert their targets esm to their presence enabling the ship to power up it's radar and target the missile. <br /><br />This means that ships can sail with their radar not needing to be on and emitting signals.<br /><br />The only way to detect an NSM is to sail with your radar on at all times, thus telling everyone where you are.<br /><br /><br />2) Terrain masking<br />Additionally the NSM flies at extremely low level and uses the terrain where available to mask itself. <br /><br />Hence the first time you have a theoretical chance of detecting the NSM is when it enters your radar horizon at about 15nm. However the NSM is stealthy meaning additional time is most likely needed before detection. <br /><br />This leaves very little time for the ship defences to work.<br /><br /><br />3) Manouvering and countermeasures<br />And they have to contend with a missile with extreme agility and stealth, as well as ecm making targeting it difficult.<br /><br /><br />4) No known passive countermeasures<br />The missile uses imaging infrared homing with a target database, meaning current passive countermeasures will be innefective.<br /><br /><br />5) Target discrimination<br />Aditionally it discrimitates between targets so other than unfriendly ships are not hit. This means the missile can be launched at a general area without specific targeting information needed.<br /><br />Perhaps this would fall into your definition of a sci-fi seeker?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-76497807847621169662012-04-09T10:30:35.999+02:002012-04-09T10:30:35.999+02:00SCALP-Navale goes nowhere in my book. At a priceta...SCALP-Navale goes nowhere in my book. At a pricetag of 950 million euro for 250 missiles, as paid by France, it would be a folly. <br /><br />In addition, it is a duplicate of TLAM that does NOT offer the same performances, mainly by having half the range. <br /><br />I happily leave Scalp-N to whoever is mad enough to pay its absurd cost.Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-19398175981489748702012-04-09T02:42:50.250+02:002012-04-09T02:42:50.250+02:00Gabriele
How about the only missile to currently ...Gabriele<br /><br />How about the only missile to currently fit the A70 ? The SCALP-N would need only IR seeker and software changes to take on an anti-ship role; although an optimized warhead might help.JedPChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06090008973629372385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-21572583590306203182012-04-05T15:24:17.079+02:002012-04-05T15:24:17.079+02:00Gabriele,
The Brahmos is impressive and intimidat...Gabriele,<br /><br />The Brahmos is impressive and intimidating, but like other existing supersonic anti-ship missiles (Chinese or Taiwanese), they belong to a different school. For one, there are serious complications in updating a supersonic weapon in flight compared to a slower system. So it's shoot and pray for the Russians. And most slower systems are likely to be better off at the sea-skimming profile i.e. they would be more stealthy.<br /><br />Now, compare the dimensions of the Brahmos with that of Exocet or even the Norwegian NSM. Your average Eurofighter can easily mount four JSM missiles along with a full complement of 3 fuel tanks and AAMs. The only aircraft which can mount something like the Brahmos would be F-15E or SU-30.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-44190942731401934432012-04-05T01:27:36.551+02:002012-04-05T01:27:36.551+02:00I have reserves on the Sylver A70 and TLAM integra...I have reserves on the Sylver A70 and TLAM integration. <br />It might be less expensive to fit MK41 Strike Lenght cells on a Type 45 in addition to the existing Sylver cells than put a new missile into the A70. <br /><br />This would have to be studied by someone who's got all the data, though.Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-72356312624279099862012-04-05T01:22:37.005+02:002012-04-05T01:22:37.005+02:00Great piece Gabriele,
I thought the three roles w...Great piece Gabriele,<br /><br />I thought the three roles would be just to diverse for missile system, the anti submarine missile as your article pointed out is just a rocket boosted homing torpedo.<br /><br />I think for the RN at least the dedicated heavy anti ship missile is coming to an end.( Our rules of engagment are so strict if it is not against the chinese high fleet then they never be used). If the capacity is to be retained then a multi role missile is required as you have said, Land attack first secondary anti ship. <br />The perseus sounds good but is decades away, i would<br />1)Fit spare harpoon missiles to type 45 in the near term<br />2)Develop Tomahawk plus for surface and subsurface use<br />3)At the same time adapt the Sylver A70 for TLAM<br /><br />As for the Type 26, instead of the 24 SSGW i will go 16 Tomahawk plus and 8 VLS fire shadow (i know the wheeled launcher chained to the deck is simpler and alot cheaper, but i think the advantage of quick launch or multiple launchs has so much going for it)<br /><br />Sorry Gab, i think i just repeated what u said, but this has been on my mind alot of recent just proves i am not a lone voice lolIannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-18965181433276971672012-04-04T03:22:40.097+02:002012-04-04T03:22:40.097+02:00Sounds great, i thoroughly look forward to it! Per...Sounds great, i thoroughly look forward to it! Perhaps discuss the military Germany should have owing to its economic strength? Food for thought!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-67868991524150191552012-04-03T23:28:47.784+02:002012-04-03T23:28:47.784+02:00I'm very glad you decided to comment then! I&#...I'm very glad you decided to comment then! I'm happy to hear that my articles are of some interest. I'll do my best to keep them coming whenever i have the time to write. There's many subjects to talk about, more than i can follow timely. <br /><br />Next one will probably be a direct comparison of equipment and manpower holdings of the armed forces of Germany, France and the UK. <br /><br />Keep in mind that your comments are always more than welcome. Keep visiting, and i hope i'll continue to write interesting stuff for you all. <br /><br />GabrieleGabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-85911580662020322592012-04-03T22:36:44.434+02:002012-04-03T22:36:44.434+02:00once again gabriele, a fantastic informative artic...once again gabriele, a fantastic informative article. I regularly read your blog and check almost daily to see if there's a new one present. Being an international relations student, specializing in modern warfare, your articles are both engaging and factual and i thoroughly enjoy them! Keep them coming!<br /><br />Regards.<br /><br />RobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com