tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post8767495450924126272..comments2024-02-29T11:45:01.870+01:00Comments on UK Armed Forces Commentary: The evolving budget situation: reversing bad decisions Gabrielehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-54874231105967949302013-12-19T11:45:26.969+01:002013-12-19T11:45:26.969+01:00Cbrn Guru
Ta very much for the helpful answers. ...Cbrn Guru<br /><br />Ta very much for the helpful answers. Note the lowering of tone/style here in the use of "Ta", or perhaps it wasn't that kind of style style you were referring to! Cheers, Mike MikeWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-37318398720893478262013-12-19T00:50:32.993+01:002013-12-19T00:50:32.993+01:00Partly correct, all FRES Scouts will have the abil...Partly correct, all FRES Scouts will have the ability to mount CBRN sensors. Depending on the operational threat, then a certain amount will be fitted with the capability. Trouble is the sensors are changing, Project B is looking at an all in one chem sense capability. At the moment there is CAM, Colpro CAM, MCAD and LCAD. Rad is also being updated, so mounts are hard to fit with external probes if you do not known what the sensors will be. The concept through is the same as what the Germans do right now. They mount the Smiths LCD on the back of their Puma's for external detection, when the crew or Infantry section dismount they un-clip the LCD and take it with them. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09862246975531106320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-49851363009594676502013-12-19T00:35:39.185+01:002013-12-19T00:35:39.185+01:00MikeW,
I like your style, you ask some tricky ques...MikeW,<br />I like your style, you ask some tricky questions.<br /><br />I cannot inform in an open forum what the RAF Regiment has done with all the hard and electronic information regarding SOP’s and Doctrine because that could be slanderous. But I can let you guess…..<br /><br />FUCHs will be safe for a few years I think. Project A (Wide Area CBRN R&S) has main gate projected at FY16/17 and ISD FY18/19. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09862246975531106320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-78186708175242521262013-12-19T00:29:48.769+01:002013-12-19T00:29:48.769+01:00There are going to be generalist CBRN sensors on F...There are going to be generalist CBRN sensors on FRES Scout, networked with the rest of the CBRN layer, if this capability hasn't been shelved in the last year or so. This is, i suppose, part of the possible spread of recce capabilities. Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-67225185855761966462013-12-18T22:42:12.530+01:002013-12-18T22:42:12.530+01:00Cbrn Guru
Thanks very much for your comprehensive...Cbrn Guru<br /><br />Thanks very much for your comprehensive, well-informed reply.<br /><br />"My fear is that as usual internal politics get in the way of some Joint Operations and this could be the case with these assets. RAF Regiment personnel running about in an Army controlled operation will be interesting to see and how they are controlled."<br /><br />Yes, I can see that might be quite a problem.<br /><br />I can't really believe that all the key instructors have gone. So you might have to start from scratch again. Surely, though, the main principles and elements of doctrine and knowledge must be well documented?<br /><br />Thanks too for the information concerning a successor to Fuchs. I had, in my innocence, assumed it would be another vehicle Surely the MOD/Army will not bring a vehicle back for just a year and a bit and then bin it again after the 2015 Review? Now that would seem like a kind of madness. <br />MikeWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-29346170345510055812013-12-18T19:18:00.350+01:002013-12-18T19:18:00.350+01:00To answer your questions MikeW.
a) Yes that is its...To answer your questions MikeW.<br />a) Yes that is its only role, I known the 2ic very well, issue being that when they pitched up to be assigned to units i.e. BG’s, Bde’s and Div they (the HQ’s) will think that they (CBRN Sqn) are the complete CBRN capability controlling all of the CBRN capability for that organisation. That is what they will have to sort out, they are only there to Recce and Survey any possible hazardous areas not control CBRN Incident management for that organisation. So BG’s etc will still have to have CBRN Defence cells that can be manned to control assets at source level and to ensure warning and reporting is disseminated correctly. How they work with the LRT’s from the CBRN Defence Wing is still an unknown. My fear is that as usual internal politics get in the way of some Joint Operations and this could be the case with these assets. RAF Regiment personnel running about in an Army controlled operation will be interesting to see and how they are controlled.<br />b) That’s exactly what I thought!!! They were handed over to the RAF Regiment late 2011, there were only 5 key FUCHs instructors in the Joint CBRN Regiment at the time. Three have left the military and are in other employment. One has joined a detection company, so that leaves one. Unfortunately this is an open forum so the story behind the last one is not open source and would make you laugh out loud in the sheer incompetence that has happened regarding him. Let’s just say a certain cavalry regiment will be happy to have him and leave it at that.<br />c) It’s hard to figure out Mike, I think it is highly unlikely that any vehicle tracked or wheeled are in the running. I known for sure that pie in the sky thinking from certain elements for the Wide Area R&S for CBRN is looking closely at UAV. But FUCHs maybe part of the whole capability. Nothing is off the cards because we are talking about net-working capabilities in this Project. So in reality it may end up being source sensing, mobile sensor arrays, LRT, FUCHs and UAV all networked together to give a more comprehensive picture or CBRN COP as they like to say. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09862246975531106320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-13991930044788938682013-12-17T15:45:12.673+01:002013-12-17T15:45:12.673+01:00Sorry, I meant FRES UV.
Sorry, I meant FRES UV.<br />MikeWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-51507836878913187222013-12-17T15:43:06.266+01:002013-12-17T15:43:06.266+01:00@Cbrn Guru
I agree with Gabriele that it is great...@Cbrn Guru<br /><br />I agree with Gabriele that it is great news but a few questions:<br /><br />a) Will the squadron concerned be a “dedicated” squadron (dedicated to CBRN, that is), without the need to double up as a more conventional armoured unit? The latter, which would involve “dual training”, would be almost impossible to accomplish, wouldn’t it?<br /><br />b) Why would it be the case that knowledge has been lost to the extent you describe? The vehicles were only removed from service a couple of years ago, weren’t they? Surely many of the same personnel are still within the ranks of the RTR.<br /><br />c) You suggest that the Fuchs might be only a temporary solution to the problem. Surely any successor would be based on the FRES SV vehicle, wouldn’t it and that won’t be in service until the next decade. Or is there a nearer solution, which the British Army is interested in? If so, what would it be?<br />MikeWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-87771894556388402112013-12-16T23:04:08.779+01:002013-12-16T23:04:08.779+01:00Well, it will be a good interim solution. We shoul...Well, it will be a good interim solution. We shouldn't have reached this state of things in the first place... Thanks for the info, i appreciate it a lot. Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-85796021870123225512013-12-16T23:00:17.428+01:002013-12-16T23:00:17.428+01:00Yes, will be four at a time, DE&S are putting ...Yes, will be four at a time, DE&S are putting the contract together to allow Rheinmetall to check everything over, plus get them off the RAF Regiment holdings. Even through they did not use them and just stick to IBDS and LRT, but elements of Decon will have to be transferred, funding is well in place to carry out quite a few improvements.<br />Doctrine is the big issue, all knowledge just about disappeared, so I reckon it will be start from Scratch again. But FUCHs maybe just an interim capability gap, it has many disadvantages that I have posted here before, whither it survives the Wide Area CBRN Recce and Survey Project starting in 2015 we will have to wait and see. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09862246975531106320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-28486931700852460812013-12-16T22:19:41.288+01:002013-12-16T22:19:41.288+01:00Funding was confirmed, then? That would be great. ...Funding was confirmed, then? That would be great. Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-30237012414474633802013-12-16T22:17:25.422+01:002013-12-16T22:17:25.422+01:00We are down to 8, 2 troops of four. They will be m...We are down to 8, 2 troops of four. They will be manned by Falcon Squadron RTR at Harlem Lines in Warminster.<br />There were only 8 that were upgraded to MM2 and had all the towing and extraction gear.<br />From CBRNGuru<br />They will be a Divisional asset under the control of the Army. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-17602888945200988742013-12-13T19:06:03.495+01:002013-12-13T19:06:03.495+01:00I know, they were 11 originally, but apparently ha...I know, they were 11 originally, but apparently had gone down to 9 in the years, for some reason. I don't remember where i read it, though, sorry. Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-43675408802558297612013-12-13T18:59:53.492+01:002013-12-13T18:59:53.492+01:00Gaby
Thanks for the reply, Gaby but where do you ...Gaby<br /><br />Thanks for the reply, Gaby but where do you get your figure of 9 rather than 11 vehicles? That's what the Army had previously.MikeWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-28932741710063153432013-12-13T18:33:52.863+01:002013-12-13T18:33:52.863+01:00In theory, all is possible. But when the reserve w...In theory, all is possible. But when the reserve was involved in CBRN, it was only in support to regulars, Reserves (RAF Regiment reserves, specifically) are still part of the CBRN force in 20 Wing RAF Regiment. However, with just 9 FUCHS or so, this precious capability is best placed with a regular formation that can constantly work it to best effect. Gabrielehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01623558391676151582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-197643930405841722013-12-13T18:30:47.219+01:002013-12-13T18:30:47.219+01:00Gaby
Yes, I agree - good news if it happens. Do ...Gaby<br /><br />Yes, I agree - good news if it happens. Do you think that, as an alternative to a RTR-manned CBRN AS&R squadron, it could be managed by the TA (sorry, Reserve)? There are some very able units in the Reserve and the TA was responsible for the Fuchs vehicle in the past. Having said that, the Fuchs was among the first vehicles in action in Gulf War 1 and any unit that manned them would have to be extremely professional. MikeWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-442909239199162925.post-22398830233678176822013-12-13T17:31:32.304+01:002013-12-13T17:31:32.304+01:00Good news, and likely in my opinion.Good news, and likely in my opinion.Daniele Mandellinoreply@blogger.com